Bringing Clarity Into Your Home, Spaces, and Life, with Lisa Viscardi

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This episode of the TiLT Parenting Podcast is all about getting organized—specifically organizing our spaces, and our lives, not to mention all the paperwork / material that we parents of differently wired kids have to track and keep records of. To talk about all this, my guest is a dear friend who also happens to be an organizational guru…Lisa Viscardi, owner of Clarity by Lisa Viscardi. Lisa is known for helping her clients create systems that truly transform their lives.

In our conversation, LIsa talks about how getting organized and creating more clarity in our homes directly corresponds to the way we feel and experience our day-to-day lives. If you are a fan of Marie Kondo’s book The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up, you will love this episode because it takes things to a whole new, deeper level. It’s about less overwhelm, less stress, and more clarity and peace, with a special focus on the unique circumstances for parents with atypical kids. I hope you enjoy it!

 

About Lisa Viscardi

Lisa Viscardi is a professional organizer, but the work she does goes so much deeper. People invite her into their homes to help them organize their offices, kitchens and kids’ rooms, but what they don’t realize is that their physical clutter is a reflection of their internal clutter. Lisa’s business is called Clarity because that’s what she brings to people’s lives. Lisa helps people create order out of chaos by designing aesthetic, simple systems that are easy to use and maintain, and encourages people to free themselves from things they’ve held on to for the wrong reasons, or that they no longer need.

 

Things you’ll learn from this episode

  • Why you need to have a “Command Central” in your home
  • How to deal with a backlog of disorganization
  • How having more clarity in your home and life helps you be responsive rather than reactive
  • How to implement Lisa’s C.L.E.A.R. system (Categorize, Learn, Edit, Arrange, Revisit)
  • How to move forward by making intentional choices

 

Resources mentioned for organizing & getting clarity at home

 

Episode Transcript

Lisa Viscardi  00:23

The calmer and clearer a parent can be, the better it’s going to be because you’re going to have the space to respond and not react, whether the child is differently wired or not. The thing that I see is people are flying by the seat of their pants. So then you are going to be reactive because there’s just no time to consider right and to make intentional choices and decisions.

Debbie Reber  00:55

Welcome to the Tilt Parenting Podcast, a podcast featuring interviews and conversations aimed at inspiring, informing and supporting parents raising differently wired kids. I’m your host Debbie Reber and today we’re going to talk about getting organized. Specifically organizing our spaces and all the paperwork and material that we parents have differently wired kids have to track and keep records of. I know, right? I love this topic, I will admit to geeking out on the possibilities for organizing. And I know I’m not alone here to talk about all of this. I’m bringing on a dear friend of mine who also happens to be an organizational guru. Lisa Viscardi, owner of Clarity by Lisa Viscard. Lisa is known for helping her clients create systems that truly transform their lives. Because as Lisa will discuss, getting organized and creating more clarity in our homes directly corresponds to the way we feel and experience our day to day lives. If you’re a fan of Marie Kondo’s book, The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up, you’ll love this conversation because it takes things to a whole new deeper level. And I will share that right after I recorded this episode with Lisa, I was so inspired that I immediately implemented one of her suggestions and have already noticed my personal level of overwhelm has lowered. Before I get to the episode a quick little public service announcement. If you haven’t already tried our free virtual Differently Wired 7-Day Challenge, I strongly encourage you to try it out. The challenge features short daily videos and a private Facebook group all centered around helping parents be intentional and purposeful in parenting their atypical kids, more than 500 people have gone through the challenge. And the feedback we’ve gotten is that it’s already making an immediate difference in their day to day life, which is exactly what we were hoping for. The challenge is free and it’s ongoing. If you want to join us sign up at tiltparenting.com/sevenday. And now I’ll get on with the show.

Debbie Reber  02:59

Hey, Lisa, welcome to the Tilt Parenting Podcast. 

Lisa Viscardi  03:03

Hi, Debbie. 

Debbie Reber  03:04

I am so happy to have you on the show. And just a little insider scoop for those of you listening, Lisa and I go away, way, way back. And in fact, Lisa was pretty pivotal in helping me even come up with the name tilt. So she’s been along for the whole journey as a friend and supporter. So I’m really excited to be bringing you on the show today.

Lisa Viscardi  03:28

And I am very, very excited to be here. 

Debbie Reber  03:31

Well, let’s tell people why you’re here. So can you tell us a little bit about your background, kind of the highlights of who you are and what you do, and how you got into the work that we’re going to be discussing today.

Lisa Viscardi  03:45

So I worked and you and I crossed paths in entertainment for a really long time in the kid business and did many different things. But then when we moved to California, about 16 years ago, I was taking my daughter to preschool and a woman there. We were talking about inside your bag, your purse, and she said You’re so organized. You’re so together, can you come to my house and help me? And I thought that’s strange. Okay. I mean, I knew I was organized. And I remember even my college roommate said, you have a place for everything. You know, I guess I just didn’t really know it was that different or that? I thought everybody was pretty together I guess. But then when I look back, even when I was younger, I would go to kids houses and fix their desks and I was always rearranging shelf displays. So, you know, I studied design and I think clarity kind of chose me. It’s just my orientation. My mother was very organized. I guess I picked it up and well It’s become much deeper I, I care about the way things look. And the way things function. I remember when I learned that the idea that form follows function. That was a profound thing for me to learn. And yeah, one, one client led to the next. And apparently, it makes a big difference. Yeah.

Debbie Reber  05:25

So tell us kind of specifically, what you do with your clients through your work in clarity.

Lisa Viscardi  05:33

I’m a professional organizer, and even the word clarity, I was calling what I was doing clarity, because I guess it occurred to me, that’s what I was helping people do … clarify their lives. And it’s everything from kitchens, to kids rooms, to the most important thing, I think, that I help people with is their command central, which is the place they organize their life, the place where everything happens, usually, it’s the office or the desk area, and the place where theoretically, I believe one should be planning from. And a lot of times, there’s talking involved, so it’s somewhat, I’m I act like a coach, a therapist, a friend, you know, it’s quite dimensional, I was with a new client this past week, and she thought, you know, the work was really just about organizing stuff. But when you get into it, it’s just so much deeper, and so much comes up from it, because clarity is about really getting clear, and seeing what’s going on. So that’s on every level, you know, it’s reminding me, I remember when we wrote for one of your books, chill, and I wrote that piece about getting clear. And I remember adding in, it even applies to friendships, you know, it permeates your life, once you get clear physically, there’s more room to see what’s really going on.

Debbie Reber  07:24

Even just hearing you say that, it’s such a powerful concept. And I think for everybody, but I, you know, of course, I always relate my conversations with guests and with friends with everyone to what’s happening in my world and through tilt what’s happening, for so many parents raising differently wired kids, one thing that most of us do not feel on a daily basis is clarity. Like, we don’t feel clear, because we’re so often just confused with our day to day lives and what we’re supposed to be doing next, and how we’re supposed to be responding to this comment, or this teacher email, you know, there’s so much feedback coming in that it we often just don’t have the space or the time or the energy to have this kind of clarity. And I know we all want it.

Lisa Viscardi  08:12

Oh well, all the more. So in that situation, the calmer and clearer a parent can be, the better it’s going to be because you’re going to have the space to respond and not react, whether the child is differently wired or not, the thing that I see is people are flying by the seat of their parents, so then you are going to be reactive, because there’s just no time to consider, right and to make intentional choices and decisions. Now, the unpredictability with differently wired kids and, you know, kids in general, right, you know, it just keeps changing and, and new stuff keeps coming up and in your life actively. So I just think it’s so critical to have as much in place that I call them stupid, simple systems, things that are framing everything, and the foundation and the organization have all the tools you need, or the scheduling or whatever it is as much of that in place with systems that work very, very easily, so that there is more room to handle whatever comes up, you know?

Debbie Reber  09:35

Yes. So I want to make sure that I’m clear on what you’re saying. And that is this idea that when we kind of take care of our space, our physical space, or put these kind of, as you call stupid, simple systems in place, and just get kind of a handle on all of that then the rest kind of follow suit.

Lisa Viscardi  09:56

Well, I think there’s room then for life to happen in a way that is not stressful, I’m not saying it’s not going to be stressful. But the stuff that shouldn’t be stressful, which is stressful because there aren’t systems for it, becomes easier. So that that’s taken care of. It’s like a platform, it’s like your foundation. So for instance, a lot of parents tell me that when they were just taking care of themselves, that was easy, right? They were organized, they tell me. And then when they started having kids, and then the kids started going to school and like you’re saying, the emails are coming in this artworks coming in, and the school we’re coming in, and then there has homework that has to go out and get done, you know, then everything just multiplies. And people get so overwhelmed. So each of those things, for instance, a way to edit the artwork that’s coming in, and the schoolwork that’s coming in, what to save, what not to save. And then almost more importantly, well, both are important, where to put it. So if you know a classic thing in organizing is that everything needs a place of its own. So if you have a system set up, and everything has a place of its own, it takes five seconds to put it away. When you know where it goes, it takes a lot more time. And there’s a lot more disarray if you just start piling things up. Right. So often the classic thing is, people have piles everywhere, and in drawers and cabinets and just sort of randomness. Clarity is about intentionality, and things not being random. You know, a big thing is there’s a backlog that’s accumulated. So you really need to make a plan, and we can talk about the acronym, but you need to make a plan to deal with the backlog, and then set up the system so that you can then live in a higher functioning manner. Yeah. And have space for what is for sure going to come up.

Debbie Reber  12:21

How long does that take? I mean, when you say backlog that is so daunting to me. And I’m like looking at this closet to my left right now, which is where I have four years worth of homeschooling like records and the handouts, you know, I don’t know what I’m gonna need or not need down the road. And what is going through that backlog usually entail, as in length of time. 

Lisa Viscardi  12:43

Yeah, it’s different depending on the amount. And depending on the focus and attention each person can give to it, you know, a lot of anxiety can come up as well, when you’re getting clear, because it just creates space. And for some people, it’s that they never learned, right, like it was modeled for me in my home. But for some people, they just literally don’t know how to make order of things. But for other people, the disarray surfaces them it’s a little bit of a buffer or, you know, sometimes it can be used as an excuse. In your case describing your closet. I mean, typically the size of a closet, it’s not that large of a space, and it wouldn’t take that long to assess. But you would need informing ideas to know, like you’re saying what to keep what not to keep, right. So some of it’s about attention, you’re such a great critical thinker, it’s that you haven’t attended to that because it’s not your priority. And it may not be your priority until whenever, right? So right now you do have all of those records stored. And if that closet can still be used for that that’s fine. I also talk about macro and micro in a macro sense. It sounds like you already have all of that stuff together. It’s not in five different places in your home. When you decide that it’s a priority to go through that or you need easier access to history or whatever, for whatever reason. You need the space. For whatever reason, you will focus on that. And then maybe we should go through the clear method now.

Debbie Reber  14:39

Yeah, let’s do it, but break it down for us. 

Lisa Viscardi  14:42

Okay, so I made an acronym called CLEAR because clarity is what you’re going for. And it kind of just worked out. That C stands for categorize. So within all of that paperwork work and this can be applied to almost anything. Within all of that paperwork and records, there are different types of things. There might be medical records, there might be academic papers, there might be, you know, what other kinds of things are in there. There might be false insurance things and…

Debbie Reber  15:23

…assessments ,diagnoses. Yeah, right. 

Lisa Viscardi  15:26

Right, right. So you categorize you put everything that’s the same together, then you Learn, oh, I’ve been saving all of these, maybe all the health insurance records, and I don’t need those anymore, or I’m mixing everything together. And it’s crazy, you just learned what it is you’re doing. And what you’ve got, you know, just take a look at it. 

Lisa Viscardi  15:52

Edit is another sort of standard organizing principle, right? Edit is, do I need to keep all of these, all of those, all of these, you know, which of each kind of thing is really important for me to keep, I do want the history of all the assessments. And really, I can put them in three binders. And they’re contained, and I will always be able to look at them, or I just need the first three pages of them or the summary or whatever it is, right? That’s Edit, and then the rest you can shred or recycle. And Arrange is to put all of the, in each category of the same things together, what’s the best way to contain this? Is it a binder? Is it a box? Are they folders? Are they files? What’s the best way to contain this? Where is the best place to contain this and arrange accordingly? And then Revisit is, first of all, the maintenance of any system that you’ve set up? And also does it have a lot of rewards, does it need to be revised, does it need to be refreshed, doesn’t need to be rearranged to be reworked, restored, I find there a lot of rewards that were but just to revisit the work. So again, it’s categorize, learn, edit, arrange, revisit, and we’re talking about just the one place with lots of papers, one clause, when you think about areas of the home, where there’s clutter, so to speak. Usually, in those piles and drawers and cabinets, there’s a large mix of unlike things, is usually what happens, you know, there are general areas where the same stuff is together, and then it’s about could this be more aesthetic? Could it be higher functioning, you know, there’s millions of different things. We could talk about details in these processes. But generally speaking, that’s the process. And actually, I save millions. It’s simple. When you get down to it, it really just all is stuff. But like your closet, as I said, You’re not unless you think about it all the time, then maybe you want to do something about it, or you need stuff that you can’t find. Maybe it’s time to do something about it. But it’s all just about making these intentional choices. You know what, someone at SoulCycle, the other day said, are you prioritizing your priorities? I love that. And that’s why I say command center, you know, your whole house could be cluttered or in disarray, or whatever. And I obviously think it’s critical to clarify that stuff. But really this command central and how to make the choices and prioritize things in your to do list, etc. That’s what’s the most important thing I think, you know, because it launches your day, every day, or it should.

Debbie Reber  19:03

Yes, I want to hear more about command central. And I also just want to go back to your process for a moment, which, I know your process and I’m still once again, as always happens when I speak with you, I am having more aha moments. And, you know, I’m just thinking right now I’m sending Asher off to camp this summer. And I realize that they’re still waiting on some forms that I haven’t gotten because they’re in that closet somewhere. They are, you know, copies of his old IEP. There are copies of his initial assessment from, I don’t know, even 2012 or something and I kind of generally know where it is but the thought of having a binder where I just have those things in I pull them out when I need them. I photocopy them and stick them back in. You know, it’s so simple and it would make my life so much easier. And I also know you know I’ve been on extended threads in Facebook groups of people just discussing this very thing because we have so many records. So many of us have various assessments and reports and, you know, correspondence, some of us have medication things we have to keep track of. 

Lisa Viscardi  20:17

So even if all the medical things were together, all the medication, things were together, and all the assessments were together, because it seems to me and again, each thing is in an assessment. So if everything were chronological, then you might have to remember when did we do that, but maybe like you’re saying, If you broke it down into keeping all the assessments together, and that could be chronological than keeping all the medications together, or the you know, the prescriptions together? And, you know, maybe it’s more, you would separate things out that way. Yeah. And we can, you know, we can do a Skype afterwards and look at the closet. But I am so curious to see because it definitely should not be that hard. These are just records. I mean, I don’t mean to minimize it. But I bet you your bottom dollar, that you could make it simpler.

Debbie Reber  21:19

Oh, there’s no doubt about it. I can make it simpler. That is a lack of priority, as you said. 

Lisa Viscardi  21:26

Exactly, it’s really just a tension because if the document that is the list of everything you need to get is in commandcentral in your to do box. And it’s at the top because it’s important because that’s a priority to get that done, are on your to do list, you know, Asher’s camp papers are towards the top, then you just need to take that time and get that thing done.

Debbie Reber  21:52

Yeah, yeah. You’ve mentioned Command Central. And I, you know, I’m looking at a desk right now that has a hell of a lot of Post-Its scattered throughout all of which are priorities. Could you walk us through what command central is, because it is something that I know would be really beneficial again, because I know that many parents like me are having to track appointments. And there’s just a lot on our plate that we’re juggling beyond what might be typically expected. So talk to us about Command Central. 

Lisa Viscardi  22:28

So I really think the two most important aspects are the to-do list and the to-do box, even though you can’t not have your calendar, but it’s that the stuff that needs to get done just needs to all be in one place. So that when you’re sitting at your desk, if you have five minutes, or an hour, you quickly know what to look at, and that you’ve already spent some time planning about what’s the most important thing that needs to get done. So commandcentral is made up of a to do list, it could be digital, or written a to do box, and your computer. So on your computer, I mean, some people still do keep a paper calendar, but obviously, you know, digital makes everything easier. And it also, I think, has complicated a lot of things. But you know, when the phone can have the list on it, and your computer can have the list on it, and the phone can have the calendar on it and your computer can have the calendar on it, it does become seamless, and even with the calendar, you can add if your spouse or partner also needs to come to an appointment right, you can invite them you know, it just streamlines things so your calendar and then there are your emails and your texts. So everything is if it’s all in files, so you’re talking about the closet, it depends you know, the proximity of whatever papers or items you need to do the work you need to do or to help take care of your child should be nearby this command central a lot of it has to do with staying connected also to the to do list and to whatever is in the to do box. So if the to-do box is not merely an inbox, it’s stuff you’ve already assessed and put in there keeping the most important things at the top. So if there’s a health insurance form, or I camp to do list or whatever it is that needs to get done should be towards the top. So with your post, it’s all important. They’re all things that need to get done. If they were it you have to cycle through them every day looking at had all of them if they were on one list, and you were spending some planning time checking in in the morning in the evening, if not during the day as well, you would be always looking at the top of that list because you would have already spent some time planning, what are the most important things? Does that make sense? 

Debbie Reber  25:23

Yeah, it does. So how do you advocate people stay on top of things and stay organized? Because I love the picture you’re painting. And I want that for myself. And I’m sure that listeners want that for themselves. But what does that maintenance look like?

Lisa Viscardi  25:39

Well, the maintenance, I think, is the easiest part, it’s setting it up. And you know, it is a reengineering if you’re not used to it. So it’s setting it up, and then disciplining yourself to do it, but it becomes so second nature, once it’s there, that it’s not your problem, getting stuff done is and making the choices, what needs to get done first is what you’re dealing with, that’s your challenge, or what you’re doing actually doing maintenance of it becomes invisible. That’s why I call them stupid, simple systems. Because, to me, it seems so obvious, because it’s just I guess, even the way I develop, or speaking about how to do things just makes so much sense to me, because it’s the simplest, most minimal way to have information flow. Right? I mean, a list with the priorities at the top. So literally, I look at the priorities, it all depends on the amount of stuff people need to get done. But sometimes you can categorize them like there are calls I need to make things I need to purchase. And stuff I need to get done at home. Right. So the calls, some, if you look at that part of your list, oh, I can knock these three off. Before my day even gets started. Just take care of those easy things, get them off the list, and then get into you know, now I need to do Asher’s camp form.

Debbie Reber  27:19

Yeah, diving into the closet. Yeah. Yeah,

Lisa Viscardi  27:23

Sure, intuitively, or you’ve set up systems even to write books. So you know, all of this. It’s just you’re not applying it to maybe you’re not completely applying it to the planning? Well, you’re such a planner, though. i It’s funny to me when you say you’re overwhelmed. Well, I know you’re overwhelmed, because you have so much to do and to deal with, but you are an organized person.

Debbie Reber  27:52

No, I am. I’m at my happiest when I’m organized. But I feel quite chaotic at the moment. And, and I do think it is more of a natural state of parents like me, because again of that, that need to just be constantly responding and reacting to things. And that, you know, you talked about that in the beginning of being in a reactive mode all the time. So I think that’s what I think is so powerful about this work and why I wanted to share it with listeners is because making these kinds of changes can help us feel more grounded and not have to be so reactive. That would really make a difference for not just our sanity, but our kids. 

Lisa Viscardi  28:35

And yeah, it brings a great sense of relief. And when your energy is calmer, right? I mean, I’m sure there’s a different tenor in the household, right?

Debbie Reber  28:46

Oh my gosh, yes. Especially these kids who are so tuned in with us.

Lisa Viscardi  28:50

Exactly. And if your mind is constantly running and not present, with all the things that you need to do and get done, then that’s not effective. So the way to manage that is to put it all down, like with the To Do lists, I say just write it to every in that case, sometimes posts are helpful, just as quickly. If you have something you have to write down, just write it in on a Post it, something that you don’t want to forget. But then those posts need to make their way to the master list. Yeah, yeah. And be prioritized, you know, but you don’t want to just be constantly thinking of everything that you need to get done. When you’re with your child, right? You want to be present.

Debbie Reber  29:37

Now, do you have, I’m just curious, a favorite app or apps that you recommend? I mean, because I do everything on paper, but I kind of love the idea of having this master to-do list on my computer and my phone.

Lisa Viscardi  29:50

So it’s actually something I’d love to design but do it do it? Yes, the clarity. I simply use the Notes on the phone and on the computer because I can see it in both places. And the Notes application allows you to have different lists. So I have like a life list and a work list so that if I just differentiate between those two things, the stuff I need to do for work and the stuff, I just need to do logistics of life, and I literally keep it visible on my desktop, as do I the reminders, but I don’t use reminders, like put this in every week, I use it as, so for doctor’s appointments, even structuring, if you need to go somewhere every six months. So put a reminder that you need to go in six months. And then once you go to the doctor, manually put that to the next six months as opposed to because I don’t like when reminders are constantly coming at you, it’s worth like the to do list, it’s more of a manual decision, you’re making your you know, when people say I like to write it down, I even like to use the digital the same way where you’re more manually interacting with it, you know, just because everything, you start to wake up a little bit more and become more intentional. And when you are and you’ve given the presence, it’s kind of like being present in your planning, then you can let go of it. And then you can be present with your kid.

Debbie Reber  31:32

Right? Yeah, I mean, half of it is just getting it out of your head. And so it’s not swirling around in there taking up space, exactly, I guess we’ll have to just put up with some notes function or some such thing until you get your app created. 

Lisa Viscardi  31:49

Well, a lot of the software now I find is much more complicated than it needs to be. And you’re filling out all these different, you know, it’s just two dimensional. I think it should be simpler. Yeah. I think people don’t have time to. I think watching TV now is so complicated, right? Like, finding the show you want to see, yeah, it’s crazy. So I tend to bring everything down to its simplest form. And its simplest form seems to be the easiest way to interact with it.

Debbie Reber  32:25

It’s true. Our lives are so complicated. We have so many options,

Lisa Viscardi  32:30

Passwords alone, in the newspaper, you know, yeah, with what’s going on, and they’re talking about change your password every week, people can’t change their password every week. They don’t even know what their passwords are, like, you know, it’s crazy on their apps for that, you know, it’s gotten a little bit crazy. So I try to keep things simple. Yeah. And these children, it seems like that’s a really important thing to do.

Debbie Reber  33:00

Yeah, absolutely. Well, and it’s, as you said, you know, it impacts our energy, which impacts their energy, I also think it’s good modeling for our kids to see, you know, because they are often so much going on, or their minds are moving really fast. And the more they’re interacting with the world in a more intense way. So helping them even see how they can create more clarity or calmness in their own life, through what we model, I think is really cool, too.

Lisa Viscardi  33:32

I completely agree. And I always tell parents, you know, you want your children to learn how to do this. So it’s not just gonna happen, you need to learn how to do it so that you’ll be modeling it for them, you know, because it, there is so much going on it back to your point about differently wired kids, it makes things a lot more grounded, so that there’s room for whatever is going on in their head or is going on for them.

Debbie Reber  34:07

Now, let me ask you a question about differently wired parents, because a lot of our community, the parents are differently wired as well. And so they could have challenges with organization or, you know, because of the way that they move through the world. And it might feel really overwhelming to know how to do this. Like, I don’t know, if you have suggestions for us, even one like simple tweak, they could try out to make an impact.

Lisa Viscardi  34:33

Yeah, that’s a great point. Because a lot of my clients are differently wired, you know, and we didn’t label it as much when we were growing up, right. So people realize as they get older, oh, I am this way. You know, you know, there’s a lot. There’s a lot they can do, actually, and I think the First step is really making the choice, a conscious choice, just like anything else, that if their intention is to get clear that they’re going to need to make some decisions about how to do that. And I think the exercise literally have one single To Do List, not 50 pieces of paper all over the place. It is just the discipline of writing down everything that one thinks they need to get done. And then putting it in an order is a really good exercise. You know, sometimes it depends on the person, maybe just literally cleaning up a room or the kitchen or a cabinet or one pile going through it. You know, it’s just the intention of I’m going to do this and I suppose the intention to do it. So it’s a commitment that you need to make.

Debbie Reber  35:57

Yeah, yeah. And I like that of just choosing one thing, too. You know, I know, for me, when I’m feeling especially chaotic, one of the things I do is it’s almost therapeutic or, or a form of meditation. I go into my closet, and I refold my clothes, because having everything neatly on the shelf just feels so good.

Lisa Viscardi  36:21

Yeah. I like doing the laundry for the same reason. Yes, like, productive therapeutic. And then it looks good. And then it looks good. Yeah, and everything is kind of like that. So if there’s an attention issue with it, I definitely think it could be very, very helpful for many people to get clear.

Debbie Reber  36:44

That’s great. Well, listen, I know that listeners are going to be curious to learn more about you. So I know that you’ve written for Mind Body Green, and I can leave a link to stuff you’ve written on the website, but how else can people learn more about you?

Lisa Viscardi  37:05

I have a website claritybylisaviscardi.com. And I’m on Instagram @claritybylv.

Debbie Reber  37:14

Okay, I will leave links to all of that contact info on the show notes. So listeners you can check out. I do follow Lisa on Instagram. And I really, and well, you know, I love your aesthetic. So I’m all over your content. But I just want to thank you so much for this conversation. I knew this was going to be interesting, selfishly, I knew that I was going to get something out of it. So I have some new to do’s on my to do list. But I want to thank you for walking us through your process and just sharing these tips for us. Yeah, thanks so much for being on the show.

Lisa Viscardi  37:53

Thank you so much for having me. It was fun.

Debbie Reber  37:58

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